Popseoul reported a week ago that a new trailer from the film 'Hellcats' (or 'I like it hot') showed Wonder Girl member An So-hee and co-star Kim Bum kissing, which then led to So-hee's fans inundating Kim's Cyworld homepage with akpeul, or "evil replies". He eventually shut his homepage down. On another note, this seems to be a clip from the auctioned off dinner date described below. Also, the Chosun Ilbo tells us that
Other experts say Wonder Girls and Girl Generation have brought middle-aged men to TV and the Internet.
Of course (in its English edition) it doesn't bother to try to explain why this might be...
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The Wonder Girls. It seems everyone is talking about them these days, either castigating their dancing and singing skills, telling foreigners who don't like them to go home, or telling everyone criticizing them for their lack of talent to chill the hell out and get some perspective (a brilliant manouvre which guarantees that that Wonder Girls fans will not think you're anti and start leaving akpeul all over your minihompy). As for my opinion of "Tell Me", I haven't had the misfortune of having to hear it several times daily (until working on this post, at any rate), so I don't mind it that much - it's an innocuous enough, catchy bit of electro-pop.
I'm a little confused by the claims that Stacey Q's "Two of Hearts" and "Tell Me" are so similar - one person even said "Tell Me" borrowed the song structure of "Two of Hearts". A quick comparison, then, of "Two of Hearts" and "Tell Me":
Feel free to Tell Me if you see something missing in the latter song - or let Robert Plant ask the appropriate question by skipping to 3:00 here. Seriously though, the only real similarity I see is the stuttered sample of "I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I need you" at the beginning of "Two of Hearts" (and if playing with vocal samples are all that's needed for a comparison, why not compare it to Sigue Sigue Sputnik's "Love Rocket F1-11"?), so we're not talking about a blatant copy like Wax's "Oppa" (of Cyndi Lauper's "She Bop"). That said, that small similarity is an important one, and the link between the song from 1986 and the song from 2007 was pointed out by the Metropolitician, who linked to this page, which is quite interesting, as you can hear a 1988 cover of "Two of Hearts" by the Korean girl group Setorae called "Haengbokhae". I also found this page, which has several pictures of Setorae from 1988, such as this one:
It's probably worth noting that the girls above are what 80's stars wore, and not the strange outfits worn by the Wonder Girls here. A page with videos turned this Setorae performance from 1988 up (beware of the ad at the end):
I'm turning over a new leaf and am going to try and actually read this post today, instead of just favoriting it in my "things I really ought to read" folder instead. I'll try to give it the attention it deserves and comment properly later today.
In the meantime, I can't let you be so harsh on my favorite Korean singer Wax! Sure, Oppa is a complete copy of She-Bop, but unlike most Korean singers, she ACKNOWLEDGES it in her CD cover and pays Cyndi Lauper royalties, and if you like Lauper then you'll probably like Wax too (although her 5th and 6th albums were just toooo mellow).
"Oppa" is also an essential part of the Korean Experience that no expat can be without, so I've provided a guide to learning it on my blog here:
I'm glad you brought up comparisons to the way teenage and even prepubescent girls are sexualised in Japan. I haven't read EVERY post on the Wonder Girls in the Korean blogosphere out there, there's rather a lot of them at the moment, but that obvious comparison seems surprisingly absent so far. I've always found sexuality to be one of the biggest differences between the two countries, so similar in other regards, and so you'd think that the beginnings of potentially such a huge shift would get more attention. Not that I'm equating Korea=good and Japan=bad here, although I AM when it comes to the acceptability of teenagers engaging in virtual soft porn.
I complete agree with you on the signifiance of things like the youngest dancers having more active roles and/or wearing miniskirts while older memmbers would wear pants, and find people who see it as mere coincidence as somewhat naive at best. It reminds me of back in 2003 when I personally got a big wake-up call about the dance party industry for example, when I read the article in the link I give below that explained the economics of the industry, and how the atmospheres geneterated there were quite deliberate and manipulative creations of, amongst others, the tobacco industry. After knowing that, I just couldn't get into it the whole vibe anymore, the escapist element had completely evaporated.
In that vein, like you say, what on Earth else could things like shots of So-hee holding a half-naked man mean? This may be saying too much, but I'd be one of the 90% of normal healthy human males that instinctively respond to provocative dances and poses by attractive human women of reproductive age (although the Wonder Girls just barely qualify)...and that's all it is, companies trying to turn me on to get me interested in the product. Nobody would claim anything different for Lee Hyori advertising soju, for instance, like I and a lot of other bloggers have recently blogged about, so what is it about these girls that make people so vociferously claim otherwise? Their culpability in using underage girls to sexually sell things, in this case a band? Male fans' refusal to acknowledge this element at all, for that would draw unwelcome wider attention to teenage sexuality as a whole, and ultimately the problem of teenage prostitution here?
Very interesting post. I'm still digesting it all. I knew there would be somebody better able to explore the darker side of the phenomenon. Although I still do find it a little silly to have grown men protesting "they suck" or "they can't sing," as if Mandy Moore were any better.
In the late 1990s there was a group called Circle (써클) that caused some controversy as at least one member was just 12 years old. Never seen or heard them before myself (after all, this was when most people were still on dial-up) but I found one of their videos on YouTube just now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p6GqaIM0Nk Seems like song, dance and clothes were all pretty typical of that time.
great posts! i was perusing your site because it came up in a search i did about korea...you obviously know the country and culture very well...i'm planning on going over there in a few months to teach...you seem like a pretty reliable source and i was wondering if i could ask you a few questions about some cities...write me back on my site if you'd be willing to...thanks!
Wow, you are on a posting tear these days. I skip reading for a short spell, and you have a whole bunch of new articles up.
Anyhow, TELL ME comes from TWO OF HEARTS. Just the sample, not the whole song. I heard that directly from JYP Entertainment. Apparently JYP and a few of the guys were sitting around talking, when the conversation turned to '80s pop. Someone mentioned the Stacey Q song, which JYP remembered fondly, and inspired him to use the hook from it as the basis of tell me.
And I do believe JYP pays royalties on the sample.
I was browsing around the internets, saw this post. I've read some blogs in Korean about the subject (Wonder Girls underage sexuality etc) But I don't see too many well-written ones in English. Good job!
Now, some months later with the release of "So Hot", I guess it's more obvious where they're getting at. It's probably more convenient for the industry to use teenage girls, since they receive extra attention and hype just for being underage, whether it's in a positive or negative light. But let a few years go by, and they can be advertised as legitimate sex products without being a burden on anybody's (legal) conscience. If you get people (I guess I'm talking about men here) excited enough WHILE they're still fresh jailbait, just imagine how much more popular and successful they'll be when they can be freely sexy... So yeah, I don't think you're reading into it too much. I always thought that they picked Sohee into the group for her great "come hither" face :P (I'd rather not comment on her talent or whatever)
It's great that you also mentioned Circle. I used to listen to them when I was a kid in Korea. It's nice to go back to that kind of music every once in a while, hahaha.
You have a great blog :) I will continue to read it.
perhaps you're reading into the whole wondergirls thing a little too much. the youngest being 15 and dancing like that is nothing compared to what teens in the u.s. are exposed to in pop culture. and at least they wear more clothing than the artists you see on trl or vh1.
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xHi,
I'm turning over a new leaf and am going to try and actually read this post today, instead of just favoriting it in my "things I really ought to read" folder instead. I'll try to give it the attention it deserves and comment properly later today.
In the meantime, I can't let you be so harsh on my favorite Korean singer Wax! Sure, Oppa is a complete copy of She-Bop, but unlike most Korean singers, she ACKNOWLEDGES it in her CD cover and pays Cyndi Lauper royalties, and if you like Lauper then you'll probably like Wax too (although her 5th and 6th albums were just toooo mellow).
"Oppa" is also an essential part of the Korean Experience that no expat can be without, so I've provided a guide to learning it on my blog here:
http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/%ec%98%a4%eb%b9%a0oppa-%ec%99%81%ec%8a%a4wax-%ea%b0%80%ec%82%aclyrics-translation-and-explanation/
Sorry to be off-topic a little...well, quite a bit really...but Wax is one of the things I LIKE about Korea.
Look forward to reading the rest of the post later today.
Cheers,
James.
I'm glad you brought up comparisons to the way teenage and even prepubescent girls are sexualised in Japan. I haven't read EVERY post on the Wonder Girls in the Korean blogosphere out there, there's rather a lot of them at the moment, but that obvious comparison seems surprisingly absent so far. I've always found sexuality to be one of the biggest differences between the two countries, so similar in other regards, and so you'd think that the beginnings of potentially such a huge shift would get more attention. Not that I'm equating Korea=good and Japan=bad here, although I AM when it comes to the acceptability of teenagers engaging in virtual soft porn.
I complete agree with you on the signifiance of things like the youngest dancers having more active roles and/or wearing miniskirts while older memmbers would wear pants, and find people who see it as mere coincidence as somewhat naive at best. It reminds me of back in 2003 when I personally got a big wake-up call about the dance party industry for example, when I read the article in the link I give below that explained the economics of the industry, and how the atmospheres geneterated there were quite deliberate and manipulative creations of, amongst others, the tobacco industry. After knowing that, I just couldn't get into it the whole vibe anymore, the escapist element had completely evaporated.
In that vein, like you say, what on Earth else could things like shots of So-hee holding a half-naked man mean? This may be saying too much, but I'd be one of the 90% of normal healthy human males that instinctively respond to provocative dances and poses by attractive human women of reproductive age (although the Wonder Girls just barely qualify)...and that's all it is, companies trying to turn me on to get me interested in the product. Nobody would claim anything different for Lee Hyori advertising soju, for instance, like I and a lot of other bloggers have recently blogged about, so what is it about these girls that make people so vociferously claim otherwise? Their culpability in using underage girls to sexually sell things, in this case a band? Male fans' refusal to acknowledge this element at all, for that would draw unwelcome wider attention to teenage sexuality as a whole, and ultimately the problem of teenage prostitution here?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NTN/is_43/ai_108881949
Very interesting post. I'm still digesting it all. I knew there would be somebody better able to explore the darker side of the phenomenon. Although I still do find it a little silly to have grown men protesting "they suck" or "they can't sing," as if Mandy Moore were any better.
In the late 1990s there was a group called Circle (써클) that caused some controversy as at least one member was just 12 years old. Never seen or heard them before myself (after all, this was when most people were still on dial-up) but I found one of their videos on YouTube just now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p6GqaIM0Nk
Seems like song, dance and clothes were all pretty typical of that time.
great posts! i was perusing your site because it came up in a search i did about korea...you obviously know the country and culture very well...i'm planning on going over there in a few months to teach...you seem like a pretty reliable source and i was wondering if i could ask you a few questions about some cities...write me back on my site if you'd be willing to...thanks!
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Wow, you are on a posting tear these days. I skip reading for a short spell, and you have a whole bunch of new articles up.
Anyhow, TELL ME comes from TWO OF HEARTS. Just the sample, not the whole song. I heard that directly from JYP Entertainment. Apparently JYP and a few of the guys were sitting around talking, when the conversation turned to '80s pop. Someone mentioned the Stacey Q song, which JYP remembered fondly, and inspired him to use the hook from it as the basis of tell me.
And I do believe JYP pays royalties on the sample.
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I was browsing around the internets, saw this post. I've read some blogs in Korean about the subject (Wonder Girls underage sexuality etc) But I don't see too many well-written ones in English. Good job!
Now, some months later with the release of "So Hot", I guess it's more obvious where they're getting at. It's probably more convenient for the industry to use teenage girls, since they receive extra attention and hype just for being underage, whether it's in a positive or negative light. But let a few years go by, and they can be advertised as legitimate sex products without being a burden on anybody's (legal) conscience. If you get people (I guess I'm talking about men here) excited enough WHILE they're still fresh jailbait, just imagine how much more popular and successful they'll be when they can be freely sexy... So yeah, I don't think you're reading into it too much. I always thought that they picked Sohee into the group for her great "come hither" face :P (I'd rather not comment on her talent or whatever)
It's great that you also mentioned Circle. I used to listen to them when I was a kid in Korea. It's nice to go back to that kind of music every once in a while, hahaha.
You have a great blog :) I will continue to read it.
perhaps you're reading into the whole wondergirls thing a little too much. the youngest being 15 and dancing like that is nothing compared to what teens in the u.s. are exposed to in pop culture. and at least they wear more clothing than the artists you see on trl or vh1.
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