tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post3179141452792556519..comments2024-02-23T23:53:54.842+09:00Comments on Gusts Of Popular Feeling: Murder of an English teacher 11 years agomatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10296009437690229938noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-26505870846574755802020-07-02T19:19:36.560+09:002020-07-02T19:19:36.560+09:00You're thinking of Carolyn Abel, who was murde...You're thinking of Carolyn Abel, who was murdered in December 1988. CBS broadcast <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carolyn-abel-case-is-justice-out-of-reach-for-an-american-teacher-murdered-in-south-korea-48-hours/" rel="nofollow">a lengthy report on her murder</a> last year.<br /><br /><br />matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10296009437690229938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-57753702239030033712020-07-02T04:31:09.318+09:002020-07-02T04:31:09.318+09:00Ever hear of the murder of the ELS staff (maybe tw...Ever hear of the murder of the ELS staff (maybe two) back in the late '80s? The investigation was somewhat botched when some footprints in apartment due to their size were taken to be that of a male; however, another ELS female staff who left the country rather soon after had been in Thailand before and left there also shortly after a female PCV had been murdered.<br /><br />JihoonJihoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261323206444666216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-73785034240427038982009-05-26T00:54:44.935+09:002009-05-26T00:54:44.935+09:00Burger King murder was in Itaewon. The BK is no lo...Burger King murder was in Itaewon. The BK is no longer there though, I believe its now a Coffee Bean. <br /><br />Before it became BK, it was Denny's during the 80s ~ early 90s and there was a another incident inside the business where a Korean student was severely beaten by a US military personnel. But that was way before the advent of the internet so it did not get too much media play but I do remember visiting Korea right after it happened and getting told to avoid Itaewon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-41248651918931054692009-05-25T20:56:50.452+09:002009-05-25T20:56:50.452+09:00Does anyone know the "real story" behind the Burge...Does anyone know the "real story" behind the Burger King murder(s) by 2 "foreign men"? I've heard it was Itaewon and I've heard it was Hongdae.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11368418359642607139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-31727364234363985232009-05-17T04:14:00.000+09:002009-05-17T04:14:00.000+09:00Metropolitician had a good take on the South Korea...Metropolitician had a good take on the South Korean media here:<br /><br />http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2005/11/the_irrelevance.htmlWon Joon Choehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09616918987942651496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-74198335433262560372009-05-17T04:12:00.000+09:002009-05-17T04:12:00.000+09:00Lady Sonagi says:
"There is bias in all media, bu...Lady Sonagi says:<br /><br />"There is bias in all media, but any racial bias in the US media is not as glaring."<br /><br />I cannot emphasize this enough. <br /><br />The standard modus operandi of Koreans or their foreign apologists is to insist on the bromide that "it happens in the U.S., too" as a catch-all talisman of sorts.<br /><br />But that's not the point. Of course, no human institutions are perfect. Out of the crooked timber of humanity, nothing ever straight can ever be fashioned, to quote Kant.<br /><br />The all-important issue is rather how a given institution (or practice) rate comparatively and contextually. And in this respect, South Korea's press is embarrassing in its biases and outright fabrications.Won Joon Choehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09616918987942651496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-84585833052782686502009-05-14T18:59:00.000+09:002009-05-14T18:59:00.000+09:00most definitely not ignore = most definitely does ...most definitely not ignore = most definitely does not ignoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-50433887429760905852009-05-14T18:58:00.000+09:002009-05-14T18:58:00.000+09:00@Phoenix Storm:
There is bias in all media, but a...@Phoenix Storm:<br /><br />There is bias in all media, but any racial bias in the US media is not as glaring. <br /><br />Murders are always covered in the local papers at least regardless of the race of the victim or the accused. If there is a possible racial motive, the crime often gets national attention. Most victims of crimes with racial motives are people of color. The US media most definitely not ignore or refuse to cover a story about an Asian man murdered by a white who didn't like Asians. If you have any examples, by all means, share.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-57628475187749291942009-05-14T13:52:00.000+09:002009-05-14T13:52:00.000+09:00The exact same thing happens in the United States....The exact same thing happens in the United States. Look at the news when a person of color gets murdered in comparison to when someone white is murdered.<br /><br />A young, white, female victim is more often likely to receive media coverage than a person of color. <br /><br />It's media bias and its just as awful when it happens back home as when it happens here.Phoenixstormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07018573322882456545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-80301157957775135432009-05-14T13:05:00.000+09:002009-05-14T13:05:00.000+09:00just to get this straight: this guy is another one...just to get this straight: this guy is another one -- not connected with the foreigner deaths discussed in this seoul podcast? <br /><br />http://www.seoulpodcast.com/archives/364Roboseyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308196436612993379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-50425430142050102062009-05-14T10:36:00.000+09:002009-05-14T10:36:00.000+09:00If my memory serves me right, there were rumors th...If my memory serves me right, there were rumors that he/a teacher had been found dead at a construction site. According to the story, cops had concluded that he died of an insulin overdose, but the victim wasn't diabetic (according to his family)...or so the story goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-88138524664432805242009-05-14T10:28:00.000+09:002009-05-14T10:28:00.000+09:00Kushibo,
Sonagi's facts are accurate. I distinct...Kushibo,<br /><br />Sonagi's facts are accurate. I distinctly remember a friend of mine calling one of the English language papers to complain about the lack of coverage. The paper replied that the story had already been covered...in the op-ed section (the letter from a friend that she mentions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-57093631569525018532009-05-14T05:47:00.000+09:002009-05-14T05:47:00.000+09:00I read both the KT and KH daily and am absolutely ...I read both the KT and KH daily and am absolutely sure neither paper covered the murder of the teacher, story of great interest to the foreign readership. At the time I was not fluent enough in Korean to read the Korean language media.<br /><br />Crimes committed by foreign nationals are regularly covered, and the occasional murder of a Korean by a foreign national gets big press, so the omission seems deliberate. Murders of US military personnel, like the doctor who left behind a pregnant wife and four kids, are covered by the English media in Korea, probably because of the need for 'balance' against Stars and Stripes. <br /><br />Prior to the emergence of K-blogs, knowledge of foreign non-military crime victims was largely by word of mouth. I believe that the death of Stephanie White's son would not have been explained away by the Chosun Ilbo if the K-blogs hadn't publicized the case.<br /><br />One of my favorite examples of bias were two side-by-side rape stories. One involved a foreign rapist and a Korean victim. That story got twice as much page space as a story about a female GI who got gang-raped by two Korean men. Had she not been a GI, I doubt her case would have gotten any ink at all.<br /><br /><I>Anyway, I'm not so sure any of this really represents a population under siege. Sadly, the treatment of these cases is not so different from the treatment when Korean-Koreans are murdered. </I>I did not imply that white people are under siege. I have stated and will state that stories with Korean victims and foreign accused get much, much more attention than cases with foreign victims and Korean accused. Thus, the treatment of cases of foreign murder victims IS different from the cases of Koreans, especially if the accused murderer is a foreign national of any ethnicity.<br /><br />Another difference is that the US media, reflecting its diverse readership, cites race if it is a possible factor in a crime. The Korean media, reflecting its 99.5% Korean readership, glosses over or ignores crimes where race was a possible motive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-52717339005682677872009-05-13T19:03:00.000+09:002009-05-13T19:03:00.000+09:00Sonagi wrote:
The murder of Scott Kennedy in Sunch...Sonagi wrote:<br /><B>The murder of Scott Kennedy in Sunchon was not reported directly by the Korean press, but rather, indirectly through a letter to the editor from one of his friends shortly after the murder</B>.<br /><br />Are you sure? I'm only going from memory, but I thought I saw a news report on it. I seem to remember trying to find out if the news story and the other stuff jived. But like I said, I'm going by memory.<br /><br /><B>Ironically a few months after the murder of the American English teacher, a Korean student was shot to death during a racially-oriented multi-state shooting rampage, which got a few days coverage in the local press, including photos of the grieving Korean father. Not one drop of ink for the dead American teacher, nevermind a photo of his grieving parents</B>.<br /><br />I remember that story. Even in the American press, it was a big deal, and that alone would make them a bit of an apples-and-oranges comparison. <br /><br />For a real contrast, the GI who was killed in broad daylight while walking and laughing with his girlfriend in front of (I think) Ŭijŏngbu Station got only short mentions in the English and (I think) the Korean press, but there was a days-long orgy of coverage for Yun Kŭmi, who was brutally raped and murdered, presumably by a GI. <br /><br />Of course, the brutal rape aspect also makes it an apples-and-oranges comparison to some degree, as did the SOFA issue — would the suspect be tried in a military court or would the Korean court get to handle the case?<br /><br />(I briefly mentioned the GI murder <A HREF="http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/04/04/the-obligatory-hines-wardmultiracial-koreans-post/#comment-32128" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.rjkoehler.com/2005/06/10/on-being-an-american-expat-in-korea/#comment-18244" REL="nofollow">here</A>, where I also mentioned Salvador Smith in the context of it maybe not being true.)<br /><br /><B>Kushibo is correct that murderers of foreign nationals are usually described in the media as mentally ill. The multi-state shooter killed himself, so he was never tried, but his history suggests that he was mentally unstable</B>.<br /><br />Like I said, though, I don't think that's necessarily brushing it off: someone randomly killing a stranger over some issue like these represents serious cognitive or mental dysfunction. <br /><br />And also like I said, the same type of explanation is often (typically?) presented for cases when Koreans are murdered by strangers. <br /><br />Anyway, I'm not so sure any of this really represents a population under siege. Sadly, the treatment of these cases is not so different from the treatment when Korean-Koreans are murdered. <br /><br />And the number of cases... well if there are 50,000 teachers (E2 + F2 + F4) and we apply, say, the 1.9 murders per 100,000 people, we might expect one person to be murdered every year. More if we count other foreigners, and arguably more if we consider that 50K is only the number of potential <I>victims</I> but the number of potential <I>culprits</I> is a thousand times higher.kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-26954587244538312282009-05-13T18:33:00.000+09:002009-05-13T18:33:00.000+09:00The murder of Scott Kennedy in Sunchon was not rep...The murder of Scott Kennedy in Sunchon was not reported directly by the Korean press, but rather, indirectly through a letter to the editor from one of his friends shortly after the murder. The message sounds like identical in wording to the letter to the editor. <br /><br />Ironically a few months after the murder of the American English teacher, a Korean student was shot to death during a racially-oriented multi-state shooting rampage, which got a few days coverage in the local press, including photos of the grieving Korean father. Not one drop of ink for the dead American teacher, nevermind a photo of his grieving parents.<br /><br />Kushibo is correct that murderers of foreign nationals are usually described in the media as mentally ill. The multi-state shooter killed himself, so he was never tried, but his history suggests that he was mentally unstable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-69408521630074721282009-05-13T10:57:00.000+09:002009-05-13T10:57:00.000+09:00Hmm... When I first saw the your title on my blog,...Hmm... When I first saw the your title on my blog, I thought you might be talking about "Salvador Smith," a man whose story is the same as "Beau Smith." <br /><br />The story of Salvador Smith was discussed on lists like Kexpat and other places, but there was a notable lack of outside information about him other than what was going around through emails. The US embassy (I checked through some people) didn't seem to know anything about him. <br /><br />The story, if I recall, was that he was seen climbing out onto a construction crane and even the police had stopped him and asked what he was doing, to which he indicated he wanted to see the view. <br /><br />The rest of the description, about the evil boss, was part of the story. The idea behind the emails was that what seemed like a suicide was at best a suicide sparked by an evil boss or a murder covered up by an evil boss who'd gotten the police to say what they said. <br /><br />That is, if the story is true in the first place (and if it is, my apologies for the cynical speculation).<br /><br />The first murder you mentioned is something I recall. It was in the papers, as were other occasional murders of military people by Koreans, almost always by people with a history of mental illness, including homeless people. <br /><br />Lest one thinks that's how murders of foreigners are brushed aside, the same thing is true of quite a few murders of Koreans, including people pushed into oncoming subway trains by homeless in Hoehyŏn Station and other places (which is one reason for all the recently installed safety equipment).kushibohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306033998028548550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12946845.post-58959175114407352992009-05-13T08:58:00.000+09:002009-05-13T08:58:00.000+09:00Holy crap!Holy crap!Roboseyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308196436612993379noreply@blogger.com